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• Contrary to 'baptism' of babies: faith in the apostles' teaching, in their New Testament, is volitional. 'Baptism' of babies, or other nonvolitional baptism, does and means nothing. It accomplishes nothing. And can regenerate, or advance, the 'bapized' one, zero.
  
  2ndly, per Paul and Peter and John and Christ's teaching: baptism (genuine baptism, which is in and by faith) does not save from hell.
  Rather faith that Jesus is God. Personal contact of, and believing into, the risen Jesus, does.
  
  Baptism saves (and thus is necessary, and commanded) in other respects. Namely: a saving from the world. Thru this public identification with Christ.
  
  Like Limbo, or other nonbiblical odd Catholicism teachings, 'baptism' of babies has its historical, and even well-intentioned origins. But is mistaken and distorts the apostles' teaching, and historically has led to confusions and crimes. For example the persecution and execution of believers in later centuries who got baptized after they believed into Jesus. a) as if were proper to harm or kill people in matters of faith! and b) as if they were wrong.
  
  
  

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• Patrick Miron

  OK,   You have established that you don t accept the bible which is a denial of God. And your point is?   God Bless,   Pat ________________________________

  Mar 19, 2012
• Robin

 

 

OK,

 

You have established that you don't accept the bible which is a denial of God. And your point is?

 

God Bless,

 

Pat

From: j.s299 <j.s299@...>
To: catholicquestions@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:09 PM
Subject: Catholic Questions Re: Baptising the unborn

Contrary to 'baptism' of babies: faith in the apostles' teaching, in their New Testament, is volitional. 'Baptism' of babies, or other nonvolitional baptism, does and means nothing. It accomplishes nothing. And can regenerate, or advance, the 'bapized' one, zero.

2ndly, per Paul and Peter and John and Christ's teaching: baptism (genuine baptism, which is in and by faith) does not save from hell.
Rather faith that Jesus is God. Personal contact of, and believing into, the risen Jesus, does.

Baptism saves (and thus is necessary, and commanded) in other respects. Namely: a saving from the world. Thru this public identification with Christ.

Like Limbo, or other nonbiblical odd Catholicism teachings, 'baptism' of babies has its historical, and even well-intentioned origins. But is mistaken and distorts the apostles' teaching, and historically has led to confusions and crimes. For example the persecution and execution of believers in later centuries who got baptized after they believed into Jesus. a) as if were proper to harm or kill people in matters of faith! and b) as if they were wrong.